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raff209 Gate Opener


Posts: 34 Join date: 2010-12-28 Location: wolverhampton
 | Subject: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 1:06 pm | |
| Hi guys haven’t been on here for a short while life got in the way  ok so my dilemma I purchased a set of Bearmach Polly bushes at last years LRO show for my 300tdi discovery to be fitted to a set of new radius and trailing arms I have just got to the point that they can now be fitted and on inspecting the bushes I have run into a couple of problems firstly they seem very hard and I worry they will limit axle articulation and be very hard running and shake my fillings out  so is it worth fitting the standard rubber bushes at the chassis ends and Polly at the axle ends  Also these Polly bushes are of a one piece design and will be an absolute pig to fit so is it feasible to cut them in half like other brands of bush to aid fitting  Ore do I cut my losses on these bushes and fit something completely different The truck is used for almost everything road green lanes and some overland any advice and experiences are welcomed many thanks in advance James _________________ I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work
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roamingman Terrain Adept


Posts: 779 Join date: 2010-12-25 Age: 65 Location: Nearly thier
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 3:40 pm | |
| Thier are diferant colour's wich do you have, DO NOT CUT THEM. finde someone with a press. they will fit. |
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raff209 Gate Opener


Posts: 34 Join date: 2010-12-28 Location: wolverhampton
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 3:59 pm | |
| Yea I can probably press them in with a vice but its how hard they are is what worries me and I don’t want to limit the axle or get a harsh ride on road all bearmach bushes are blue
_________________ I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work
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maadmaan10 Just fitted a Snorkel


Posts: 392 Join date: 2011-12-30 Age: 54 Location: Aldersh*t
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 6:54 pm | |
| As said -DO NOT CUT THEM! You won't find it easy with a vice - you really neeed a 6T press.
You WILL find the ride different once they are fitted. They last a lot longer than the rubber ones, but the price is a harder ride and possibly more wear/stress on other components. |
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Jas Moderator


Posts: 1268 Join date: 2010-12-29 Age: 23 Location: Wiltshire
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 7:10 pm | |
| Can you use some lubrication to help them slide in? - Something non corrosive to the bush tho.
Jas _________________ Looking for a new Vehicle
Hyundai Terracan 2.9CRDI Auto
Mazda BT50 2.5TDI
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maadmaan10 Just fitted a Snorkel


Posts: 392 Join date: 2011-12-30 Age: 54 Location: Aldersh*t
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 7:14 pm | |
| | Jas wrote: | Can you use some lubrication to help them slide in? - Something non corrosive to the bush tho.
Jas |
WD40,sparingly, is okay as it evaporates. Better still a smear of Fairy Liquid. |
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raff209 Gate Opener


Posts: 34 Join date: 2010-12-28 Location: wolverhampton
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 7:37 pm | |
| Jas they come with grease but other pollys I have fitted in the past have came in two halves and are a softer compound than these bearmach ones hence why I feel they will be to hard and limit the axle articulation _________________ I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work
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Jas Moderator


Posts: 1268 Join date: 2010-12-29 Age: 23 Location: Wiltshire
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 7:42 pm | |
| | raff209 wrote: | Jas they come with grease but other pollys I have fitted in the past have came in two halves and are a softer compound than these bearmach ones hence why I feel they will be to hard and limit the axle articulation |
Could be. I had a set of super pro installed on my old Terracan and the mechanic said they were solid to get in. Some were in two halves and others were one piece. Give Bearmach a ring tomorrow, they might be able to shed some light on this.
Jason _________________ Looking for a new Vehicle
Hyundai Terracan 2.9CRDI Auto
Mazda BT50 2.5TDI
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raff209 Gate Opener


Posts: 34 Join date: 2010-12-28 Location: wolverhampton
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 8:19 pm | |
| Thanks guys  but to be honest I think I may fit the standard rubber bushes at least I know they will do the job  jas you sold your terracan what did you buy instead _________________ I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work
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Jas Moderator


Posts: 1268 Join date: 2010-12-29 Age: 23 Location: Wiltshire
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Thu May 31, 2012 9:05 pm | |
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Assassin Terrain Adept

Posts: 979 Join date: 2010-12-27
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:33 am | |
| All poly and rubber bushes have a hardness rating called a Shore rating which is the hardness and compliance (flexibility) rating. Many aftermarket bushes have an increased Shore rating to the manufacturers original specifications as they are predominantly for uprated vehicles, but due to an increasing market for standard replacement Shore rated bushes manufacturers are offering the choice by offering various standard and uprated bushes.
Check with the manufacturer that yours are uprated bushes, if so see if they will swap them for a set of standard shore rated bushes which will be the exact manufacturers shore rating, and therefore exactly the same as those fitted to the vehicle when it was manufactured.
Fitting them is easy, lather them in washing up liqiud before fitting them, and heat them before fitting as this makes them more compliant and softer, you can use a vice to press them in or alternatively use a spacing socket with a piece of threaded bar through it and a penny or other large washer on the other end. Pull the bush into position with a nut on the threaded bar and you will feel it click into position, once in position you remove the threaded bar, socket, and washer. |
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raff209 Gate Opener


Posts: 34 Join date: 2010-12-28 Location: wolverhampton
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:48 am | |
| Hi assassin I am aware of the shore rating but to be honest its lost on me  I don’t have a problem in fitting bushes its just unusual for polyurethane bushes to be in one piece all the polys I have fitted in the past are of the two halves design to aid fitting and as stated my bushes are very hard even for a poly  I think I am going to get a set of split polys for the axle ends and standard rubber ones at the chassis ends that should aid fitting any future replacement bushes and keep a good ride quality and give good articulation _________________ I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work
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raff209 Gate Opener


Posts: 34 Join date: 2010-12-28 Location: wolverhampton
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:02 am | |
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Tom Mc Founder


Posts: 2369 Join date: 2010-12-09 Location: Bedworth, Warwickshire
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:35 am | |
| Alternatively ...  Aslo comes in Land Rover green apparently ... and an optional electric motor! What more could you possibly ask for? |
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raff209 Gate Opener


Posts: 34 Join date: 2010-12-28 Location: wolverhampton
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:04 pm | |
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Tom Mc Founder


Posts: 2369 Join date: 2010-12-09 Location: Bedworth, Warwickshire
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raff209 Gate Opener


Posts: 34 Join date: 2010-12-28 Location: wolverhampton
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:34 pm | |
| _________________ I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work
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Jas Moderator


Posts: 1268 Join date: 2010-12-29 Age: 23 Location: Wiltshire
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andyk Gate Opener


Posts: 31 Join date: 2010-12-30 Age: 46 Location: Dubbo, New South Wales
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:26 pm | |
| Hi there, I have fitted a full set of blue poly bushes to my 110. I used nothing more than a vice and washing up liquid to fit the one piece bushes - it wasn't that bad of a job.
As regards the ride quality I have heavy duty springs fitted as well and the ride is fine, I can't comment on articulation as I wasn't bothered about "extreme" articulation and more about load carrying capability and "gentle" off roading!
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raff209 Gate Opener


Posts: 34 Join date: 2010-12-28 Location: wolverhampton
 | Subject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!! Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:16 am | |
| | andyk wrote: | Hi there, I have fitted a full set of blue poly bushes to my 110. I used nothing more than a vice and washing up liquid to fit the one piece bushes - it wasn't that bad of a job.
As regards the ride quality I have heavy duty springs fitted as well and the ride is fine, I can't comment on articulation as I wasn't bothered about "extreme" articulation and more about load carrying capability and "gentle" off roading!
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Hi Andy I also have HD springs terrafirma branded and I carry loads also that’s why I didn’t want hard bushes as the springs are hard enough and I didn’t want them to limit the suspension or make it any harder also the two piece bushes are a lot easier to change in the field should I need to what brand of bush are you using? I am now being drawn to some flow flex bushes as they are supposed to be similar to the standard bush in terms of hardness has anybody on here used them and confirm this? James _________________ I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work
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